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#f, Fun to hang with @broker_on_the_fly and @b.r.i.a.n. I used the above set-up with my 1086 Thomas and Thomas Contact six-weight (review here). Cast, swing, hang the fly, and then step down. Thanks. He knows that water, and he knows what works. I love the T&T #6–it is great for indicator nymphing as well. Patterns from Kevin Feenstra and Greg Senyo are great for winter. That’s about it. Unfortunately, it creates a lot of foul hooking. Very often, the best way to approach swinging flies is to keep the fly in the upper part of the water column. SWINGING FOR STEELHEAD AND OTHER FISH: THE GENERAL APPROACH. Be sure to give this technique a try on your next steelhead trip to enjoy the feel and finesse of fishing a floating line. Stay with that fish until he hooks up. With any type of fishing, the more water you can cover, the better your chances are at finding a player. Be armed with the proper Skagit lines. They swing great but also work in still water lakes. In the fall and spring months, swinging soft hackle flies … Use a 6- to 9-foot leader, depending on conditions. Skagit heads are far more compact (15ft-25ft). Now these are beliefs I hold, they are not my own, nor are they law. Still is in my book! The tightlining approach is different. Also note that you cannot use more than 1/8 oz of weight in the fly zones. Skagit heads are ideal for fishing migratory steelhead and browns in the Midwest. I used the leader formula above with regular floating fly line. I like black and very small swivels that look innocuous such as. Back in the 50's, 60's and even into the 70's Mason Hard Nylon was our go-to for steelhead leader butts. If you are swinging flies with a sinking line, you should use a shorter leader to insure that your fly get down in the striking zone. Messages … Small flies but hooks strong enough to land a twenty pound fish. Are there any other 10’+ 6wt rods optimized for tightline nymphing or is the Contact the only game in town? I’m worried I’m tying stuff a bit too heavy. Custom tied Trout Spey Soft Hackles by Grabflies. On my trip, for example, some guys who were swinging down and across with much weight were foul hooking a ton. The Skagit Minnow, named for the river on which it was designed to fish, was designed to fish big water. Skating flies derive from the experience of 19 th century anglers fishing for Atlantic salmon, who discovered how effective these surface techniques were during the warmer spring, summer and early fall salmon seasons. Leaders used for “short-line” nymphing methods, where you are fishing in close proximity to steelhead lies and using “high-stick” rod positioning, should have stiff butt and mid-sections (about 60 to 75% of the overall leader length) to turn over split-shot, indicators and weighted flies. With the heavier leader and tippet, I figure I have to step up the weight a bit, but don’t want to go too heavy. Stiffer materials in the back half or 2/3 will dramatically improve your ability to turn over the leader- especially in the wind or with larger flies. Grabflies has the newest and greatest flies for Steelhead and Salmon fishing in the Pacific Northwest, British Columbia - BC fishery, Patagonia (Chile, Argentina) and the Great Lakes. Also, with some of my steelhead patterns that are larger in profile, like mop stoneflies and egg sucking leeches, I figure I need a bit more weight to have that larger profile sink properly. I approve of this message, ha ha. The heavy line did create the dreaded “sag and drag,” but it was manageable if I did not have too much fly line out. I tied a long 12-foot leader to a floating line and knotted on a weighted fly. Get the Gear. Fly fishing leaders are a tapered section of line that is directly attached to your thick, colored fly line by either a loop-to-loop connection or knot for the use of tying on fly fishing flies. On my trip, for example, some guys who were swinging down and across with much weight were foul hooking a ton. Could use to see a photo of the euro-leader. Only “crazies” will wade in a freezing river while making Spey cast after Spey cast with one hope: to find a player and entice it to chase and attack our fly. You’re hopefully not making a change every 20 minutes, but when you move from a ripping boulder garden to a glassy tailout, you need to make a change. This led to many lost flies and the need to re-rig. The Contact is the only one I’ve heard of. Since I posted this I got out and tried the stuff I tied. What weight (mm) tungsten do you like for your point flies for ESN steelhead? Thread starter Cool Hand Hodge; Start date Dec 15, 2009; Cool Hand Hodge Well-known member. It wasn’t as sensitive as the Contact rod, but it worked enough. But, it’s a low-probability game, and there’s a lot of risk of “lining” and “flossing” fish. Rio lines and Air flo are still leaders in most of the new development of lines here. MoscaPescador Well-known member. The steelhead are down deep and may opportunistically grab a swinging fly. Flies are tied on high quality Ahrex Nordic Salt Water Streamer hooks #6. Your summer steelhead rig might not cut it. Swinging Flies Method. The Steelhead Guide Book is also available in an eBook version here. The takes were vicious. Note: John Nagy offers a "Hot Butt" Leader and Indy Kit that is designed for the Right-Angle-Floating-Indicator Technique and also Short Line Nymphing presentations. I generally fish Steelhead Bombers on a twelve foot, 0x fluorocarbon leader, and I direct my casts across or downstream depending on how fast the current is. Didn’t get a steelhead, but got a nice Atlantic Salmon to eat a purple egg sucking leech I tied as an ESN point fly, using my new T&T Contact 2 6wt, and it was a great way to break that rod in! and seasoned steelheader everything he needs to know to hook-up with these magnificent fish! Active steelhead (usually in water temperatures above 40 degrees F.) will "grab" a swung fly hard, typically at the end of the downstream swing. You’re at feeding lies and prime lies. Here it is, along with the fly line and backing I used: Please know that all credit goes to UpCountry’s Torrey Collins, who used to guide at the Salmon River. Thankfully, outside of steelhead circles, down-and-across angling remains limited to a small, occult-like following compared to the numbers of nymph and dry fly anglers. You want the flies to be floating above the fish’s head. But, it’s a low-probability game, and there’s a lot of risk of “lining” and “flossing” fish. 1. And, most important, I had many legitimate hook-ups and almost no foul hooking compared to my first foray to the river. After making a cast, it’s good to make one mend to get your fly in proper presentation and speed. It worked very well. Well, the usual Salmon River fly fishing set-up is this: a long four-foot tippet length from the weight to the fly, heavy split shot, and swinging down and across. And, it wasn’t great for the fish. Leader for swinging steelhead flys? After the fly landed, Mike gave a quick upstream mend and then let the fly sink and drift for about three seconds before bringing the fly into swing. While I fish mostly 6 and 7 weights in the summer, winter is a 7 and 8 weight game. Now, targeting fish at resting lies can work, of course. You want to get into the strike zone, but you do. 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The RIO InTouch VersiTip II line system is a great option for anglers who want to be able to adjust their setup for differing water types. In this fantastic full-length video we learn how to properly swing and present wet flies for big steelhead. You can swing flies with any rod. The set-up looks something like this: 7 1/2 foot 0X fluorocarbon leader, clinch knotted to a barrel swivel 16-24 inches of 1X-3X fluorocarbon tippet, clinch knotted to the bottom of the barrel swivel and to the lead fly. I received some inquiries about the Euronymphing leader I used on last week’s steelhead trip to the Salmon River’s Lower Fly Zone. A good rule of thumb when bottom-bouncing is to use a leader (including the tippet) roughly the length of your fly rod. If you’re bouncing around a river swinging flies for steelhead or salmon, you’re probably going to need to swap sinktips every once in a while. John Nagy's Steelhead Guide eBook Now Available! As the fly swings across the water, keep your rod tip low and follow the fly across as it goes towards the hang down (End of the run.) This is important because to fish our hard-bottomed rivers effectively, anglers must accept losing flies as a necessary evil. You’re able to show to the fish an easy-to-get and tempting morsel. Tight lines! Start with a sinking fly line then add 18 inches of 20 lb test, 12 inches of 15 lb test, and 30 inches of 12 lb test for a leader. 1) if your swinging across a run with sub structure which creates multiple current lines then you need to play with your mending and your bellies to help lead the fly across the water. Last: a huge, huge shout-out to Torrey Collins! Click to email this to a friend (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), My Euronymphing Leader for Salmon River Steelhead, A grizzled veteran #euronymphing #browntroutflyfis, New post: ‘At the Vise—The Frenchie 2.0.’ Li, New post: ‘A Good Day.’ At BlogFlyFish.com. These soft hackle flies swing great and can be easily cast with a trout spey rod or single hand rod. Thanks for the shout out Jo, and everything you wrote here was spot on. More detailed information on leaders for Great Lakes steelhead can be found in John Nagy's book "Steelhead Guide, Fly Fishing Techniques and Strategies for Lake Erie Steelhead". Super helpful post! Leaders in the 4 to 9 foot range will keep the fly higher up in the current flow versus a shorter leader (less than 4 feet) which is ideal for keeping the fly down close to the stream bottom when steelhead are moving less for a fly (flows colder than 40 degrees F). For short-line nymphing: Frog Hair’s Great Lakes Steelhead and “Hi-Vis” Transition Nymph Leaders, Rio’s Indicator and Steelhead/Salmon Leaders, Scientific Anglers Steelhead/Salmon Leader, Cortland’s Climax Nymph Leader and John Nagy’s custom-made “Hot Butt” Leader. The fly lines are designed to allow you to fish both techniques, and have specialty tips that can be added based on your situation. John Nagy's 4th Edition of his popular Steelhead Guide Book is available here in both soft and hard cover print editions (signed by John Nagy, including a fly tied by the author). This is when you dust off the 8 weights, 5 inch flies, and mega sink-tips. Thanks… always tough to land these steelies! http://www.redsflyfishing.com/Fly-Rod-and-Fly-Reel-Outfits-Complete-with-Line-s/165.htm This is Part 2 in our "Fly Fishing Steelhead for Beginners" series. Weight amount was key. The results were awesome! Bright, gaudy flies are the best attractors in the colder months. And, tightlining produces a very good dead-drift at those spots. Compared to scandi heads, they are easier to cast (using water loaded casts I will cover in a future article), and will allow you to … I also tightlined with my 10′ Orvis Helios 3D seven-weight “regular” fly rod. Swinging flies for Steelhead isn’t for the faint of heart. Androscoggin, Ashuelot, Beaverhead, Cache la Poudre, Cape Cod, Chattooga, Cocheco, Connecticut, Deerfield, Ellis, Exeter, Farmington, Grand Lake Stream, Hoosic, Housatonic, Isinglass, Lamprey, Little Truckee, Millers, Natchaug, New Haven, Nissitissit, Otter Creek, Quaboag, Quinapoxet, Rapid, Rock Creek, Saco, Salmon, Sandy Creek, Souhegan, South Holston, Squannacook, Stillwater, Swift, Wachusett Reservoir, Westfield, White, Willimantic and others. Under the right conditions, swinging soft hackles, streamers, Woolly Buggers, traditional steelhead wets, and Spey flies is both an effective and exciting way to hook a Great Lakes steelhead. There’s not much to see, but this video could be helpful. I follow the guideline that Torrey Collins gave me: the rig should tick bottom at most once or twice per drift. Thank you! Recommended manufactured or “off-the-shelf” steelhead leaders include the following. By the way, the mop stonefly i was mentioning in my initial comment, despite having a large bead, was just too robust to sink fast enough. Thanks! Maximize your chances of catching fish with better flies. Since most steelhead fly rods are in the 9 to 10 foot range you’re talking about a … Although there are times that it is necessary to fish deeper, many times the best approach is to actually stay higher. Roderick Haig-Brown, A River Never Sleeps, 1946, Steelhead guide, author and photographer John Nagy, All the photos and articles on this website credited to John Nagy are the exclusive property of John Nagy and. - posted in Fly Fishing: Hey guys, Been on the fly for about 3 years now but really want to get into the steelhead this season. Among Top 25 in the World. Did not tick bottom like you said. Page 1 of 2 - What's your go-to Steelhead leader setup? By using a long mono leader you can easily get a 20 grain fly down 8-12’ in medium speed current. The flies used when swinging for steelhead are primarily baitfish patterns, leeches and zonkers. If you need longer leaders, pay attention to the stiffness of the butt. Streamer Lines: If you’re swinging flies with a single-handed rod, a few different lines are optimal. It’s also the predominant technique when nymphing for steelhead in the winter. With these casting … Dec 15, 2009 #1 I would like to try swinging for steel but am unsure what leader to use. What style and size hooks did you use? For winter months, you want to use flies that will entice the lethargic steelhead enough so they follow and hit your fly. Great info. Anyone interested in any of this material please email John Nagy at: About John Nagy's Steelheader's Journal Book, Steelhead Journal Book Ordering Information, About John Nagy's Steelhead Guide Book/Ordering Information. Nice write-up. Might work better in lesser flows. Then do it again until you feel a fish. Other flies are made to skate by various methods of attaching the fly to the leader. You’ll need a variety of sink-tips and flies … They are just a few things I have observed fishing around the pacific rim with some of the world’s best steelheaders. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! I want to set up a similar tightline rig for Great Lakes steelhead and am looking for a suitable rod. Think like a Steelhead to Find (and Catch) more Steelhead, Weather Junkie Steelheader's catch more Steelhead, Top 10 Do's and Don'ts when Swinging Flies for Steelhead, Top 10 Do's and Don'ts when Indicating for Steelhead, Wading Strategies for Great Lakes Steelhead, Locating Tributary Steelhead Using Water Temperatures, Steelhead Technique, Equipment and Fly Selection, The Do's and Don'ts of Fall Steelhead Fishing, Fly Fishing Tail-outs for Tributary Steelhead. I learned a ton at the Salmon River and was grateful to land some steelhead. It let me see the drift both during low-light and bright conditions. (Trip details here; my personal lessons learned here.). Skagit Minnow, Size #2 a Swing Steelhead Fly. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Ill be using an 8 weight rod...what leader should i use...tapered 3x? The good folks at Thomas and Thomas also view him as one of the nation’s foremost experts on tightlining. Looking at the cross sectional diagram above, you will notice that by swinging the fly in the middle or upper area of the water column, it will be moving/swimming just over the top of most … Having both yellow/red and white indicator segments on the leader was great. Your main focus should be covering the water to find the fish. Please go to, (Note: refer to John Nagy’s Steelhead Guide book for custom steelhead leader formulas. So, it was costly, both in terms of money and time. This interchangeable tip system helps anglers swing flies on a single-handed rod with efficiency and versatility. Swinging flies takes patience and persistence. Getting the fly deep, but maintaining the swing speed by adjusting your angle of the fly line to the current, allows you to achieve the “hover” that is the careful balance of “not too heavy and swinging fast” and “not too light and near the surface”. The steelhead are down deep and may opportunistically grab a swinging fly. We caught a bunch of really nice fish but that’s not all. It was a blast. This led to many lost flies and the need to re-rig. Now I’m hooked on this technique for large anadromous fish! 13. #1 New England Fly Fishing Blog. Great write up. 100% of profits to charity. New post: ‘High Hopes.’ Not the prettiest pic, New @immaculate_fins post: ‘What to Make of a Sw, New @a_rao95 post: ‘A Snowy Outing.’ At BlogFl, New Gear Review from @d_throw: The Thomas and Thom, Our blog team is happy to donate 100% of this year, Royal Wulff #6 Triangle Taper floating fly line, .014” Cortland indicator mono, yellow/red, The Salmon River Lower Fly Zone: Steelhead Lessons Learned, Micro barrel swivel (on which is a three-inch piece of 1x with an overhand knot at the end to prevent the split shot from slipping off). While I personally don’t swing egg flies to steelhead, as a down and across angler of trout I understand why it works and works so well. For steelhead flies I am considering 4 things: size, weight, color, and movement. "Perhaps fishing, is for me, only an excuse to be near rivers." Each section should be tied with a blood knot and the fly … Fly leaders can be hand-woven or mechanically made but are always tapered having one end thicker than the other. When swinging for steelhead, the longer your rod the more effortless the fishing will become. I suggested making short casts directly perpendicular from his position to place the fly precisely on the boulders. You cast up and across, with less weight and a shorter tippet length, at fairly quick water that features some deep slots and underground boulders. In the fall season I have only hooked up with Chinook and was lucky enough to get that Atlantic a few weeks back on an egg fly pattern. Finally, here are some other observations: Hope all this helps. My buddy Dan and I went fishing and devoted the whole afternoon to swinging steelhead flies. Want to catch steelhead in the Lake Erie tributaries and elsewhere in the Great Lakes? Longer rods allow you to mend the fly easier. In an effort to control something uncontrollable, I have tried to provide some thought process to choosing flies for steelhead. With a longer rod, you will be able to efficiently cover more water, in less time. Messages 238 Reaction score 1 Location S.E Michigan. Swinging flies can also work wonders with steelhead when the other heavier methods aren’t getting them to bite. Congrats! Steelhead Anglers who swing flies, are well, pretty crazy. Swinging flies is separate from your casting style. It really depends on the current and the depth. Another benefit to not using a sink tip is the added enjoyment of fighting a fish that is connected to the angler with the lightest amount of weight in the line. For sub-surface swinging presentations: Rio’s VersiLeaders, Airflo’s Trout and Salmon Polyleaders.). So, he’s the real deal. However, you can use singe-handed rods to complete these casts as well. (There’s a great write-up of two of his steelhead tightlining rigs here.) How to Swing Flies for Steelhead. Steelhead fly design has changed drastically in the past ten years. Thanks! Love the blog. The fish didn’t just eat the steelie flies, they destroyed them. Steelhead Guide, Fly Fishing Techniques and Strategies for Lake Erie Steelhead. There are a set of casts that anglers have traditionally used with two-handed rods. Should I Hire a Lake Erie Steelhead Guide? For steelhead fishing, the switch is nice because you can go from nymph fishing to swinging flies in the same outing. makes a great companion book to his popular Steelhead Guide Book! Thanks! Leaders and tippet material are all part of the well equipped steelheaders arsenal. With eddies you may need to add a little belly into the line to help it move through the slower water, then throw a mend in to slow the fly down as it catches the main current line. Him as one of the world ’ s also the predominant technique when nymphing steelhead. Swinging flies for ESN steelhead to the river are some other observations: Hope this! You can not share posts by email + 6wt rods optimized for tightline nymphing or the! 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